Circle of Christhood

...Truth coming through does not lend itself to discussion. 

There are many, many principles in The Infinite Way, and not one of them lend themselves to discussion. 

I, myself, would never discuss a single one of them with anyone. 

From Tape 550 side 1 (the very end)

 
"...So you see, there's really no place where you can bring out the similarities in a metaphysical practice or a mystical practice because the goals are different, the objects are different. Our object is fulfillment, that we may be fulfilled of God....

"One thing be certain of, do not enter any discussions with patients or students as to the different principles of Unity or New Thought or Christian Science or Infinite Way - comparisons, or anything of that nature - because it ends up a discussion. And, if you won the discussion, it would be meaningless, you'd still be doing no healing.  Our function is not to discuss or compare, merely to present the message of The Infinite Way, it's principles. They can do any reading they like, any comparisons they like or anything they like with their own life, we wouldn't take away the freedom that the Constitution gives them and God gives them. But, in our work, I am presenting only the principles of The Infinite Way."

Advice From Our Fellow Man

Joel Goldsmith

Tape 515

"Any of us could seek advice from our fellow man as to whether we should follow this religion or that religion, or this teaching or that, and we could get as many opinions as there are teachings.  And then where are we?  But no one in all the world can go within themselves secretly and sacredly and say, 'Father lead me, direct me,' without very soon being led right where they need to be."

Joel's Teaching on Discussion and Debate

Tape 510 side 1

Joel Goldsmith

Tape 420 side 1

'"So if you have illuminations or revelations, do not run around and ask each other whether they are true.  And, don'e even ask me, because it may be so new that probably even I haven't received it.  So why should you believe me or anyone else?" 

Comments from CC:

The Infinite Way is a lonely path when old friendships and past-times fall away. Until our new friends come to us, we sometimes think to seek out companions.  One of our modern vehicles is the internet.  It brought you here to this site and will introduce you to many other places of study as well. 

When we enter new "territory" or meet new people, when we seek out others for help or companionship, we have a tool to use in this work.  Before we make a contact or outreach, we go within for a moment of connection with our Source.  If we have not experienced God Contact, then we simply rest in the knowing that God will lead us to our correct guidance and companionship.  We let IT show us the way, and then rest in the outcome.   

We may find a site where we see students asking one another for advice,  for their opinion or  for understanding of a principle.  But on a message board, we have no way of knowing another person's background, intention, depth of consciousness. Our path is not based on the opinion of others.  We must seek those for help who know how to heal, who have experience in this message and know how to meditate, know what to watch for, what steps to take when faced with Error. Our guides must be able to direct us to lessons, to Joel's tapes, to disciplines that will help us grow in the mysticism of the work, not the philosophy and letter of truth.

Often we are too shy or do not think to ask:   Who have you studied with? How many tapes have you studied, how many do you own?  How many books do you own? Have you had illumination experiences?  What is your healing experience? How do you feel about Joel and teaching me his works exclusively?   What is your commitment to teaching the Infinite Way free of other philosophies?

Unofficial Infinite Way chat rooms are set up so that all are equally able to participate and say whatever they like.   Members can post anything, and the new members may not realize what is and what is not IW principle.  Not all input is correct. Not all members agree that the IW is the teaching of Joel Goldsmith and deserves respecting his directive to only teach with his tapes and books.   As you can  read on another page here, we are not all of equal consciousness. Even the Infinite Way leaders and guides have different consciousnesses. We learn this in time, with experience. We become very careful with our sharing and careful where we go for help.

Further, when we chat, discuss, debate, we are in our intellect. If we ask another student for their view on something we do not understand, we are asking them to do our work.  In The Infinite Way we either "get" the principle or we do not. If we do not,  we go to our human teacher or we are driven deeper within to find the answer in meditation. The struggle drives us further on the path as IT teaches us.  By asking the group for their input, their understanding (often each member having a different view) we are preventing IT from teaching us and we loose or postpone our demonstration. 

In the IW we strive to get out of the mental and become more and more comfortable in the spirit. That we can only do with meditation.  As we learn more about spiritual consciousness, we begin to learn in a new way, a way that most of us have never learned before, from our inner teacher, our own Christ consciousness unfolding through Grace.

Rather than spend time chatting, tape work and meditation may be a better use of our study time.

That is a rule that, if you break it, it will not mean that you are disobeying me, it will just mean that you have no interest in a successful activity.   

Because it is an impossibility to have a discussion group in truth.  As a matter of fact, it is impossible to discuss truth.  

Truth is a subject that does not lend itself to discussion. 

And the reason is this.  Truth isn't human.  It isn't something that is subject to your opinion or mine.  It is not a subject on which you are entitled to an opinion any more than I am. 

Truth is, well you may really say truth is God, or God is truth. 

And in our human experience God, or truth, is revealing itself. 

Now, as I sit in our class work, some of you do not realize this, but there are times when messages come through me that I never knew until that moment when it came through. 

We had an experience of that kind last week when I was on the platform in Portland, and a whole new principle came through of which I've never heard before.  And I had to sit there listening to it coming through my lips.  And since then several of us have witnessed wonderful fruitage from that message.   

And that message was not subject to discussion.  It was not subject to your opinion or mine.   

If you had heard it, probably it would have sounded strange to you.  And you'd loved to have discussed it with me. 

Well, there's nothing to discuss because I had nothing to do with it and no opinion about it. 

Truth coming through does not lend itself to discussion. 

There are many, many principles in The Infinite Way, and not one of them lend themselves to discussion. 

I, myself, would never discuss a single one of them with anyone. 

I state them.  You take them or leave them.  But I will have no discussion. 

The reason is that from the beginning of my work the principles that have come through have proven practical, workable, with me and with other students.  Therefore, how can I accept any question about them? 

At one time a publisher wanted to publish one of my books, and after having it read in his organization said yes, they would love to publish it, and here are a couple of pages of corrections.  My answer was I welcome them.  Just tell me how many healings this corrector is responsible for, and how many years they've been practicing so that I will know that their corrections are better than my writings. 

Do you not see that either the principles of The Infinite Way are correct, that truth itself has expressed itself, or not?  If it has, you will know it by its works.  If not, it will go out of existence very quickly. 

But I think you have all seen in this class here today, in the groups that have come to hear our teachers, just as we have witnessed last week in Seattle and Portland, after seventeen years, not only that we have so many students here who have been with us from the beginning, but just think of the all the additional hundreds that you have seen. 

And so, this message must stand, not on what I think of it or what you think of it, or what your hearers or students think of it, but on what it is. 

And therefore, if you permit a discussion on any of our tapes, you are permitting someone who has not had our years of healing work tell us that we haven't had those years of healing work. 

Therefore, I can prophesy, I won't forbid but I can prophesy, that those who have discussion groups will not be with us long. 

Those who permit discussions on this message will not be in the activity long. 

You know, truth is an impartation.  It comes forth from the spirit, through the consciousness of an individual, and then it is received in your consciousness as a seed.  If you keep it locked up in your consciousness, think about it, ponder it, meditate on it, that seed will spring forth into fruitage.  Of course, if it isn't truth, it'll die stillborn. 

It is for this reason that many of you know that I have never permitted in any class anyone to ask a question from the floor.  You may write a question and place it up here and I will gladly answer it.  But no question from out there.  Why?  I'm not breaking the rhythm of the impartation through me to you.  Nor am I going to break your receptivity just so that somebody may have the floor of glory for a moment. 

Now, this means that when a tape group work is started that it will start as a meeting preceded by a meditation.  Then the tape, followed by a meditation and good night.  No tea parties, no coffee klatches, no midnight snacks.  Home to ponder what has been given.